Monday, August 2, 2010

Australian Soldiers Bathing Together ~ 1945

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Most people are aware that little brothers & sisters casually take showers together, and there's nothing sexual about it. But, did you know that families (yes, mom, dad and their LITTLE kids) actually bathe together as well? And again, there's nothing sexual about it. While it's a bit rare in the United States, it is very common in other countries. Unfortunately, the only one I've heard (in which people do this) is in Africa and Sweden. The families bathe together without being embarrassed, shy or ashamed of being naked in front of others. It is totally natural for them. And this should be a natural thing all over the world too, not just in Africa and Sweden.

I cannot see why this very same thing can't be applied to two unrelated adults of the same-sex (who are very close romantic Friends). Who says the two adults need to bathe together in an erotic/sexual manner? They simply don't have to. I just realized we've been brainwashed to believe something "HAS TO HAPPEN", sexually I meant, if **fully grown** men OR women do these kinds of intimate activities.

Note the extremely rare picture taken above, of the two best male Friends. One is tenderly, (with great care), shaving the face of the other. I NEVER, (in my entire life), came across such an incredibly sweet, but 100% genuine photo. The majority displayed online, (of males bathing together) are either sexual and/or erotic, overly exaggerated, awkward or just "trying to be silly." This image has none of the characteristics. True intimacy IS INVOLVED, without sexualizing the 2 nude men. These mature and honorable Aussie soldiers have nothing to hide. They have relaxed stances, and also gentle facial expressions. They pose proudly (in the bathtub) for the professional camera. For all to see!!!

Even up to this day, I'm still totally amazed that this snapshot WAS TAKEN AS RECENTLY AS 1945. That's around the time my own dad was born. It wasn't **that long** ago. Wow! I assume this must've been one of the very last 'romantic friendship' photos available (to the general public). Truly a classic gem!

Now that is just the way it should be - innocent, no strings attached mateship. What we have lost in this modern world.... Thanks for posting this Dana~man! One of the best 'bromantic' pics I've seen so far! I admire guys who can be THAT affectionate with each other (to such an unusually high degree) without being sexually involved.

The Romantic Friendship Reader

"I love you, man": Overt expression of affection in male-male interaction. By Mark T. Morman, Kory Floyd

The sharing of affection has long been recognized as a fundamental human need. Schutz (1958, 1966) was one of the first theorists to recognize the legitimacy of affection needs within interpersonal relationships. According to Schutz, affection is inherent to relational situations involving love, emotional closeness, personal confidences, and intimacy. Following suit, Rotter, Chance, and Phares (1972) classified affection as one of six fundamental human needs. Similarly, Frank (1973) and Koch (1959) both emphasized the significance of affection within therapeutic interventions, while Bowlby (1953) and Harlow (1974) commented on the key role affection plays in developmental psychological processes.

Despite its importance, affectionate communication invites numerous risks, including the risk that the intended meaning behind affectionate expressions will be misinterpreted. Such risks may be magnified in the male-male relationship, where overt expressions of affection may be all but prohibited by normative expectancies. Of course, this was not always the case. In 19th century America, young men developed romantic friendships with each other that today would be mistaken for homosexual relationships. They wrote love letters to each other, slept in the same bed, held each other physically, and confided intimately in each other. Moreover, all these emotionally-charged romantic friendships were widely and universally accepted by both men and women (Rotundo, 1993). As he describes them, young men in the 1800s bared their dreams, desires, insecurities and day-to-day dilemmas to one another; just exactly like the best of girlfriends did in the distant past.

Unfortunately, in contemporary times, however, culturally ingrained aspects of the male gender role may inhibit men from expressing affection to each other even when they truly feel it (Floyd, 1997b). Rabinowitz (1991) doc. This is why I recommend reading this rare/elusive book titled, “The Romantic Friendship Reader: Love Stories Between Men In Victoria America.” It is currently out of print, and no longer produced by the manufacturer. So, your best bet is buying this book on Amazon.com (from various potential sellers) as I did.

In fact, I suspect many men today are ready to explore the possibilities that lie beyond the gay-straight division and rigid (as well as ridiculous) gender rules when it comes to same-sex affectionate expressions. In fact, I believe men are ready to discover once again (something long-forgotten in our modern society) a unique Friendship that rises above the two extremes; something unlike no other… that certainly goes beyond words, categories and labels. And I believe the best place to start is reading about these wonderful love stories between men in Victorian America!

The Song of Roland

[Essay written by Heather Elizabeth Peterson continued...]

On the other side of the divide ­ if we can only lift the Victorians’ blinders for a moment ­ we see a very different world: a world where friendship is considered the occasion for deep emotions and exaggerated behavior. This other view is much older than the one the Victorians bequeathed upon us: it can be seen clearly in such works as The Song of Roland, where the hero faints when he sees that his friend is dead. It is a world where male friendship is not a footnote in a book about homosexuality. ­Rather it is a living force of its own, considered one of the highest forms of human emotion and behavior, and worthy of profound sentiments!! And we have taken such a world and said, "Look. Here’s evidence of homosexuality." Tsk, tsk, tsk.


The death of Roland at the Battle of Roncevaux, from an illuminated manuscript c. 1455-1460.

Of all the people who lived on the other side of that divide who might have understood us, the classical writers would have been most sympathetic. They, like us, tended to look for sex within every friendship. Indeed, they were the ones who first theorized that Achilles and Patroklos were lovers. Yet even so, look at the list of the essays and dialogues that classical writers produced on platonic friendship: Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics (Books 8 and 9), Cicero’s On Friendship, Plato’s Lysis, Plutarch’s How to Tell a Flatterer from a Friend, Seneca’s On Benefits, as well as various discussions by the Neopythagoreans, the early Christians, and others.

Why are historical writings on friendship ignored by scholars, except as tools to study other subjects? Why are dozens of books and articles published each year on the history of homosexuality, but virtually none on the history of friendship? Why does Yahoo list nearly one hundred sites on gay history but no sites on the history of friendship?

I do not propose to answer the above questions; I do not know the answer. I do know that the co-opting of historical passages on friendship by scholars of homosexuality, without similar consideration of such passages by scholars of friendship, is offering us a distorted view of both the history of homosexuality and the history of friendship. Only by establishing strong scholarship on the history of male friendship can we reach the point where we can distinguish "homoeroticism" (strong emotions between males) from true homoeroticism (sexual love between males).

As someone who writes non-scholarly articles on the history of male homosexuality, I would dearly like to see that day come. As someone who is female, I would also like to see more scholarship done on the history of female friendship and the much-neglected history of male-female friendship. And when that day comes, perhaps all of us, no matter what our views on "homoerotic" passages may be, can read the description of Socrates and Diotima and sigh, "Oh, what a beautiful portrait of friendship."

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The Misguided Search For "Homoeroticism" II

It is understandable, then, that modern scholars who are faced with this cover-up of the past would bend over backwards to prove that they are not bowdlerizers. They do not ignore sexual desire when it appears in history, even if it appears in a covert form.

And scholars have become more aware of how covert sexual desire can be. This is a second reason why the search for "homoeroticism" has occurred: many scholars have realized how often homosexuality appears in other guises throughout history, particularly during periods when same-gender attracted people are persecuted. Fear, sublimation, and simple circumspection are such strong factors in history that many scholars feel they must consider any reference to male friendship as a possible reference to male homosexual love.

I do not want to deny that any of the above is true. There is no doubt that past scholarship has overlooked historical references to homosexuality; there is no doubt that many such references are hidden under the guise of friendship. My impression, though, is that the primary reason for the search for "homoeroticism" is that our era does not take friendship seriously.

We can see this by examining the invented passage on incestuous references in Virgil. It may in fact be that Virgil’s description of Aeneas and Anchises is intended as a reference to incest. Indeed, given the frequency with which classical mythology refers to incest, I do not see how such an interpretation can be ruled out. But I think that most readers are likely to opt for the "non-incest" interpretation, by Occam’s Razor: because they believe the simplest explanation is the most likely one, and the simplest explanation is that Anchises and Aeneas have a non-incestuous father-son love for each other.

But such an interpretation requires us to believe that parents and children can have deep feelings for each other. We must believe that two people who have no sexual attraction to each other can demonstrate strong emotions and engage in striking behavior.

My contention is that, while the modern world continues to believe this of parents and children, many people no longer believe this is true of two unrelated men. We have ceased to believe that it is possible for a man to deeply love another man, unless that love is sexually based.

Many exceptions to this popular belief exist, of course; I will not bother to list them all. Platonic male friendships remain a staple of popular culture. Yet I believe that, increasingly, the platonic aspect of such friendships is being questioned. Careful observers have noted the number of gay jokes that have crept into these friendships, the number of disclaimers that are now required to assure observers that the friends have no sexual feelings toward each other. Despite the best efforts of male bonding clinics, popular culture still decrees that male friends who have just undergone highly traumatic events in their lives are allowed to do no more than thump each other a couple of times on the back, lest they be suspected of being gay.

It is kinda sad that it has to take one of the MOST TRAGIC moments in American history for two men to get very affectionate and genuinely loving towards each other. In the picture below, we see two guys being really close, one constantly rubbing the others' back and kissing him on the head for an extended period of time.

Because, to tell you the truth, this would've been a beautiful portrait of friendship regardless of whether it was 9/11 or just another ordinary day outside.

All of this is, I believe, a dual legacy of the Freudian revolution and the Victorian era. Freud’s part in sexualizing friendships is obvious enough, but it may not be as clear that the Victorian era is also to blame. For a variety of reasons, the Victorians put forward certain rigid standards for male behavior that had not previously existed. We, living on the other side of that great divide, take it for granted that males who touch each other for lengthy periods, who express feelings of strong love for each other, and who demonstrate that love through dramatic behavior must be sexually attracted to each other (rolls eyes). This just goes to show how well the Victorians did their work.

The Misguided Search For "Homoeroticism" I

A Plea for Research on Friendship
by Heather Elizabeth Peterson

The other day I picked up a scholarly book on Greek and Roman homosexuality and found in it a passage that appears, in various forms, in hundreds of books that are being published these days on the history of homosexuality. The passage was as follows:

In a recent study of this topic, some passages from Homer have been highlighted which would make it very difficult to think of the relationship between the two heroes as a simple friendship between comrades in arms. When his friend is dead, as I have already pointed out, Achilles no longer has any reason for living: over and over he wishes that he had never been born, declares that his only desire now is to die, and seems to threaten suicide. And he does not confine himself to expressing his sorrow by groaning and covering his head with clay, as is normal for Homeric heroes. At the beginning of the nineteenth book, Thetis finds him ‘stretched out on top of Patroclus’, desperately embracing his corpse, in an attitude which is not at all in keeping with most displays of mourning in Homer. So it is not difficult to read the story of a love affair behind Homer’s words. [Eva Cantarella: Bisexuality in the Ancient World]

I had to put down the book then, because a new book had arrived, on Greek and Roman incest. There I found myself perusing a passage that read as follows:

In a recent study of this topic, some passages from Virgil have been highlighted which would make it very difficult to think of the relationship between the two heroes as a simple father-son relationship. When Anchises declares he will allow the invaders of Troy to kill him, as I have already pointed out, Aeneas no longer has any reason for living: over and over he sobs to his father, declares that his only desire now is to die, and seems to threaten suicide. And he does not confine himself to expressing his love by weeping, as is normal for Virgilian heroes. At the end of the second book, Aeneas actually carries Anchises on his shoulders from the burning city, an action that results in the death of Aeneas’ wife. In no other case do we see such a display of love in Virgil. So it is not difficult to read the story of a love affair behind Virgil’s words.

In this post-Freudian world, I very much fear that the second passage (which is, of course, my own creation) will seem quite sensible to some of my readers. I suspect, though, that most readers, upon encountering such a passage, will say, "Wait a minute. All of these activities you mention ­ weeping, threatening to kill oneself, taking on extraordinary action ­ are the type of behavior that might be undertaken by a son grieving for the imminent death of his beloved father. Why do you propose that there is necessarily something sexual in nature taking place?”

Alas, this is a question that is rarely asked in the field of scholarship on the history of homosexuality. It has become de rigueur to assume that any reference to love between males must be a reference to "homoeroticism" ­ a word that in theory means "sexual love between males or between females," though in practice it is being used by many scholars to mean "strong emotions between males."

Why, then, the double standard? Why is it that, when scholars encounter a historical passage that describes strong feelings between a parent and child, they assume that the passage refers to platonic love, but when they encounter a historical passage that describes strong feelings between two unrelated males, they argue that the passage refers to sexual love? Why has the search for homoeroticism (sexual love between males) become a search for "homoeroticism" (strong emotions between males)?

Part of the reason, I think, can be attributed to bad scholarship of the past. As we all know, Victorian and Edwardian scholars made valiant efforts to explain away clear historical references to homosexuality. Their embarrassment about such references is aptly summarized by a passage in E.M. Forster’s novel Maurice, in which a university instructor tells a student who is translating Plato’s Symposium, "Omit: a reference to the unspeakable vice of the Greeks." Other Victorian scholars would show even less integrity than the tutor, translating the passages so that the classical authors appeared to be speaking about platonic friendship.

The Eternal Debate II


This is a question historians continue to delve into, and no doubt the causes of the decline of romantic friendship were complex. But one important factor seems to have helped to kill the idea that romantic feelings can exist alongside platonic feelings: the rise of the belief in sexual orientation.

Until this time, Europeans had continued to hold to the belief popular in classical times, that any ordinary person might have homosexual feelings. Most medieval and Renaissance Christians would have regarded such feelings as sinful, but they would be no more inclined to regard these people as entirely different than they would regard a person who was tempted to hit a friend as being entirely different from the rest of humankind.

Beginning in the eighteenth century, though, a notion was popularized that people with homoerotic feelings were a "third sex," very different from the ordinary person. This idea varied in the impact that it had on Europeans; in some parts of Europe, such as the Mediterranean, traditionally romantic activities continued to be practiced by same-sex friends up until the present day.

English-speaking countries were inclined to embrace the new view, but even there it was slow to arise. At the end of the nineteenth century in the United States, the third-sex view still had not yet supplanted the older idea that homoerotic feelings are potential in everyone. As a result, few people in Victorian America worried as to whether romantic activities such as holding hands or professing love were signs that two men were sexually attracted to one another. To have done so would have seemed as ridiculous to them as worrying whether a mother was incestuously attracted to her son if she kissed him. Though concern about homosexual leanings was beginning to creep into society, most Victorian Americans held to the classical belief that friends are just as likely as lovers to engage in romantic activities.

At that juncture, though, the sexologists arrived.

The impact that turn-of-the-century sexologists had on people's views of friendship cannot be underestimated. While a number of homoerotically attracted men and women over the centuries had regarded themselves as immutable members of a separate sexual group, this idea had never fully captured the popular imagination. Nor had these men and women tried to argue that same-sex romantic love was a sure-fire signal of the presence of same-sex erotic feelings. The sexologists, on the other hand, laid forth a vision of the world in which passionate love for another person was necessarily a sign of a heterosexual or homosexual orientation that was difficult or impossible to change. Their vision was embraced by society.

Within a few years, the societal belief that romantic activities are a legitimate form of friendship was crushed under the sexologists' assertion that same-sex romantic activities are always a sign of homoeroticism, which most sexologists regarded as a mental disease. Male romantic friendships did not survive the blow; female romantic friendships, which had flourished in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries under strong societal support, went largely underground. In English-speaking countries, societally supported romantic friendships died a hard death.

"You boys stopped fighting? Pals now? That's good. I love a little macho male bonding – I think it's sweet, I do, even if it probably is latent homosexuality being re-channeled, but I'm all for re-channeling so who cares, right?"
—Annie Savoy in the movie Bull Durham (1988)

In the meantime, what were homoerotically attracted men doing during all these centuries? Well, they were tailgating on the bandwagon of support for romantic friendships.

It must have been apparent to such men, from the moment that homosexuality became taboo in Europe, that romantic friendship could provide a cover for their love. In some cases, it appears that the love affairs started on a romantic platonic level and then became erotic as time went on; in other cases, the participants' feelings were erotic from the start. In either case, men who were sexually attracted to one another gratefully accepted the fruits of societal support of romantic friendship. The earliest arguments in favor of gay love, such as Edward Carpenter's Ioläus: An Anthology of Friendship (1908), used code language to indicate that same-sex erotic love was a form of romantic friendship.

Turn-of-the-century gay writers seem to have been struggling to revive classical ideas of a continuum between friendship and sexuality. But they did so in an era when it was dangerous to make such arguments. Since late medieval times, people had become increasingly suspicious of the idea that male/female romantic activities could live alongside platonic feelings. As a result of this and the sexologists' belief that this was also impossible in the case of same-sex romantic activities, a new wall was built between friendship and sexuality. This time, romantic activities were finally declared to be on the sexual side of the wall.

Friendship, especially male friendship, became the preserve of a few harmless, restrained activities, such as clapping one another on the back. Strong demonstrations of love were only permitted between friends if an emergency arose, such as one of the friends being injured. Not surprisingly, friendship began to go into decline, eclipsed by romantic love, which was now identified with erotic love. If any two non-related people were strongly drawn to one another, they were assured by society that they must be "in love" – that is, they must be sexually attracted to one another.

Gay writers, seeking to find their ancestors in the barren terrain of post-classical history, often strongly encouraged this trend, as did pro-gay heterosexual writers. For example, Byrne R. S. Fone, in his Columbia Anthology of Gay Literature, says about the love poems between medieval monks: "It can certainly be argued that such intense seemingly eroticized language need imply neither actual sexual experience nor even any sublimation of desire. The conventions of literary expression in the High Middle Ages were well attuned to an exaggerated profession of feeling between friends as well as between lovers." These are the only two possibilities that Fone puts forward in interpreting the poems: that they arose from sexual desire or that they were a literary convention of "exaggerated" expression.

The writers of the poems would have argued that there was nothing exaggerated about their expression – rather, we live in an era that is abnormally cool in its professions of friendship. Likewise, the writers would have objected to the idea that, if their feelings toward one another were non-erotic, their only reason to use romantic language must be literary convention (just for the decoration). Why, they would ask, do you people of the future assume that friends cannot have romantic feelings toward one another?

Other writers on homoeroticism, primarily scholars of lesbian history, have put forward a more subtle argument. They do not deny that some romantic friendships in the past involved people who held platonic feelings for one another. Instead, they say that such relationships, if they occurred today, would be labelled gay or lesbian. Therefore, they assert, it is legitimate for us to call these relationships homoerotic.

This may seem to be a suitable compromise, recognizing that some societal institutions, such as marriage, change dramatically over time. But unless practiced carefully, such pronouncements can become a form of cultural imperialism.

The assumption often underlying such arguments is that our modern belief that romance is nothing more than a subcategory of sexuality should be imposed upon people in eras that did not hold this belief. Romantic friendship is renamed gay love or lesbianism because our modern notions of friendship do not allow for the possibility of friends embracing romantic activities.

But such renaming obscures the fact that many people in the past would have vehemently disagreed with our notions of legitimate activities of friendship. They would have strongly opposed the idea that same-sex romantic friendship must be regarded only as a subcategory of homosexuality, in the same way that some bisexuals object to bisexuality being regarded only as a subcategory of homosexuality. Like bisexuals, romantic friends throughout history have engaged in activities that have been practiced at both ends of a spectrum. To say that romance must be identified only with sexual love is to deny romance its historical power as a form of friendship.

Many writers of gay history have rightly asserted that we can learn much about the history of homoeroticism by studying same-sex attracted people who practiced romantic friendship. But to leave the statement there – to imply that romantic friendship is nothing other than the stepchild of homoeroticism – is to practice what C. S. Lewis referred to in A Preface to Paradise Lost as the doctrine of the Unchanging Human Heart.

According to this method the things which separate one age from another are superficial. Just as, if we stripped the armour off a medieval knight or the lace off a Caroline courtier, we should find beneath them an anatomy identical with our own, so, it is held, if we strip off from Virgil his Roman imperialism, from Sidney his code of honour, from Lucretius his Epicurian philosophy, and from all who have it their religion, we shall find the Unchanging Human Heart, and on this we are to concentrate. . . .

Fortunately there is a better way. Instead of stripping the knight of his armour you can try to put his armour on yourself; instead of seeing how the courtier would look without his lace, you can try to see how you would feel with his lace; that is, with his honour, his wit, his royalism, and his gallantries out of the Grand Cyrus. I had much rather know what I would feel like if I adopted the beliefs of Lucretius than how Lucretius would have felt if he had never entertained them.

The loss of romantic friendship as a concept in English-speaking countries was a loss to humanity, because it left us with rigid notions about the division between friendship and erotic love. The wall between friendship and erotic love will only be strengthened if we strip romantic friendship of its distinctive features and treat it simply as a subcategory of homoeroticism. Instead of adopting this method, writers of gay history would bring greater benefit to society if they recognized gay people's kinship with platonic romantic friends, granting those friends their own, legitimate space in which to challenge modern society's views on friendship.

This text, or a variation on it, was originally published at
duskpeterson.com. Copyright © 2004 Heather Elizabeth Peterson.
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